In this episode, we delve into the remarkable world of Diane Warren, the legendary songwriter, through the lens of the new documentary Diane Warren, Relentless by director Bess Kargman. Bess is interviewed by my better half and the producer of this show, Jayce Bartok. He and Bess explore the complexities and triumphs of Warren's career, revealing the woman behind the music and the myths surrounding her. They discuss how Warren's reputation for being "difficult" is both challenged and explained in this intimate portrait.Director Bess Kargman shares her journey in earning Warren's trust and the creative choices behind the documentary. Learn about the challenges faced during filming, including navigating the COVID-19 pandemic and the unique demands of capturing Warren's relentless spirit. Kargman also discusses the significance of Warren's personal experiences, including her Asperger's and past traumas, and how these elements are woven into her songwriting and the film itself.Kargman recounts her experience interviewing Cher, highlighting the superstar's humor, humility, and unexpected normalcy. The episode also touches on the film's upcoming screenings at DOC NYC and its theatrical release, followed by its availability on Masterclass, marking a new venture for the educational platform into documentary filmmaking.Don't miss this engaging episode that offers a behind-the-scenes look at the making of Diane Warren, Relentless and celebrates the indomitable spirit of one of music's most prolific songwriters.00:00:00 Welcome!00:01:25 Introducing Director Bess Kargman00:11:36 What was it like interviewing Cher? 00:15:37 What was the hardest thing about making this film?00:20:16 What is the distribution plans for Relentless?Get full access to Look Behind The Look's Substack from Tiffany Bartok at lookbehindthelook.substack.com/subscribeMy favorite assistant: HEADLINER Get full access to Look Behind The Look's Substack from Tiffany Bartok at lookbehindthelook.substack.com/subscribe